My crit notes 26.11.19
Debs Critique notes 26/11/2019
Derek: Have you got any closer to getting someone to draw whilst giving birth?
Donna: Something about the two painting with the umbilical cords add a link with the knitting. Those two really work as they are very intimate. (Referring to the tow conjured pieces done for the Chaiya award)
Anya: Black drawing with words on is very heavy and overwhelming.
Zana: Very Archival and very human.
Anya: The one with the most paint on is a merging of different styles.
-Iconography in the gold halo.
-The woman being bathed in paint.
-Background relates to post birth.
- Could you put it on canvas?
Zana: The works has movement and a stillness at the same time and a finished and unfinished feel.
Derek: The darker piece with writing on is intense. There is no more room to add so it feels finished.
Zana: You have worked into that piece more. Was wondering why is it so dark and heavy? What is the connection to modernity?
Anya: There is a confusion with the detailing of the face. The decision of whether to add in the face or not.
Zana: Funny how Chris says to separate them out as we were just talking about intersectionality and hybridity in the seminar.
Anya: Like the one with more paint on it as it becomes more fun and perhaps slightly kitsch.
(You asked if the blood in the paintings could be problematic. It was discussed that it depends on the audience and where displayed).
Zana: Wondering what would happen if you used actual blood, milk or earth in the paintings.
Jamie: embedding them into paintings rather than referencing them i.e. blood.
Donna: Sensitivity and intimacy in sections of the paintings/drawings. What would happen if you just took these sections and took away everything else?
-In what is going on there are moments of sensitivity about the moment.
Anya: Crouching picture is alive. You can feel the tension in her legs. Wondering how you can keep that. Drawing people from life would help.
Zana: Complications would be good to show. You seem to be showing idealisations notions of birth. Yet birth and death are so close.
Anya: How do you show more than the ideal birth?
Donna: Writing piece read thus morning had fear in it.
Anya: Felt really exposed during her C-Section as the father could see internal organs. There is a real exposure during birth. And every individual has their own experience of birth.
Donna: piece with the unbiblical cord and placenta has a fairy tale aspect to it. (You explained that it could be because those images were conjured in your mind).
Zana: Saw the umbilical cord as an anchor.
Anya: Really doesn’t understand the knitting. (You explained you brought them to show you were still thinking about it, but the material may not be right. Maybe catgut would be better).
Jamie: Suggested the knitting could be hung off the wall as an extension of the umbilical cord.
Anya: Not everyone has given birth, but we have all be born. Although we don’t have a conscious memory of it. The women are the main focus in these images although there is a baby in them.
Donna: in the one with the most paint it could be just bundle of cloth the woman is holding.
(You had questions around surface and whether the paper worked).
Derek: Suggested stretched canvas.
Donna: Panels rested on the floor. Canvas can be problematic a one feels they must be more finished.
Anya: some of the works show the Marian ideal – wooden panels might suit that idea more.
(The group all agreed they liked the problematic paper as the texture and quality was raw and related to the images and you were questioned if the quality of paper mattered to you).
Anya: board could be reworked into.
- What do you want to capture? (You mentioned you wanted to capture the fact that giving birth is a major life event and that we should be promote this as an act of bravery rather than hide this event or be ashamed of it. Women shouldn’t put themselves down in talking about this event with language like “baby brain” “silly mummy” etc...)
- Be careful to not take away from other viewpoints. (For example, People who hate their scars).
- Your earlier research of it being over medicalised was interesting. Could this feed into the work in some way?
- Documenting giving birth would be interesting to do but also could be a different way to Reid the event for those involved.
Donna: It would be interesting to draw more people to whom I don’t have a family or friendship connection, as I have drawn lots of friends etc who have been pregnant, would the outcomes would be different?
Donna: The spaces were you exhibit will perhaps determine different outcomes and have an impact on the work produced in matters of sensitivity. A hospital would be a much more sensitive space to exhibit in than in a gallery.
Derek: There is no reference to the partners watching the birth or surrogacy etc..
Zana: what about questions around egg donations and not knowing the mother. (Zana told a story of a friend who couldn’t produce eggs so had an egg donor and they have no idea who the mother is).
Kieran: Miracle births (Talked about a friend who had cancer which meant she wouldn’t be able to give birth but defied all odds and had a baby).
Anya: So many stories. Everyone has their own story but it doesn’t mean you have to focus on all of them.
Kieran: Interested in the idea of a diary to document the stories of the people you draw.
Anya: Think about consent/ ethics of exhibiting work. That the person you draw can chose to remove the work at any time during an exhibition.
Kieran: what would you give back to the person you draw? (You said you always allow them to have an image of their choice).
- Maybe you could knit with pregnant people or group to get a conversation going.
Anya: Hates the material of the knitting works.
Zana: The material doesn’t seem related to earth or body.
Anya: Scale of works maybe slightly bigger.
Zana: Like the small ones as well.
Lizzy: Small one has much more of an intimacy to them and the large ones have more of an impact. Couldn’t take my eyes off he lager ones all morning. Think you really captured the relief and joy in the faces whilst showing pain.